~ Jesus Camp.

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Naryat on Tue, 31st Oct 2006 11:01 am 



I just Don’t know! Thw world is going insane..
Every thing is possible, every thing happens…
but know what? I think all this is healthy!
Human societies have to show whatever they have… all the good and the evil must be shown on the face of earth, so that the judjement day comes…
Allah yer7amna bra7meto!…

kinzi on Tue, 31st Oct 2006 12:07 pm 



Bakkouz, don’t forget that this the same MSM that verminizes Arabs, Muslims and Palestinians. They have nor warm fuzzy feelings for any religion where peopel actually believe their holy books, much less practice or promote them.

MSM takes words and pictures out of context to ridicule something they know not of. Definately the case here. OK, some Pentecostal wings of th eChrsitian family can be a bit over the top, but I guarantee NO ONE WORSHIPS GEORGE BUSH! Oh my, I gag at having his name in the same sentence with the word ‘worship’. We see pictures of His Majesty King Abdullah all over the country - is he worshipped by his people? Istagfir Allah1

I’m an American Evangelical Christian with Pentecostal roots - I speak in tongues and - gasp - even hear God speak to me - in English :). I have volunteered at tamer versions of such summer camps. Sometimes it takes wilder activities to get screen-addicted kids excited about their faith. Remember King David, who danced naked in the streets in his excitement over God’s goodness? Now THAT is ‘extreme worship’!

Muslims and Christians have some undeniable differences. But we can be unified in standing against media which shows contempt for people of faith. For any who are gloating over the imputed stupidity of this video, remember who they will be vilifying next.

bakkouz on Tue, 31st Oct 2006 12:23 pm 



I agree with you Kinzi, sadly, this kind of mentality will exist always, This video was way over the top i agree, but it goes to show that even in the western world there are some religious extremists who are shall we say, a bit crazy.

its not about religion itself, we respect all religions, its about the people and their missinterpretation of the religion and their bad practices.

Naryat on Wed, 1st Nov 2006 10:38 am 



Ok so let’s state some facts here…
I think it’s very useful to have you here, Kinzi, as a person who passed a similar experience…

I am a muslim. And i did, at some time in the past, indulge into a religious group that did nothing more than ignite the very warm religious feelings deep inside, aiming at waking up the instilled values and vertues. I think up to this point we are talking about a similar experience, with a simple difference: i am muslim, u r cristian.

The fear is that those groups are founding a base for some extremist idiology. What i mean here is, after creating a strong attachment between young kids and their religious beliefs, they will exploit them and direct them to achieve certain political or whatever kind of goals. Sure, i might be exaggerating in my fears, but this is how we were rased, in middle east And sure, i am talking about exploiting religious beliefs in general, not only in this summer camp, and not only in muslim world…

Some mean people are mixing religion with politics with every thing…

kinzi on Thu, 2nd Nov 2006 10:24 am 



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kinzi on Thu, 2nd Nov 2006 10:58 am 



Naryat, I’m glad I can be useful…

Bakkouz, I hope both of you will take a look at Ted Haggard’s website and his response to the “Jesus Camp”. He is the President of the National Association of Evangelicals http://tedhaggard.com/jesuscamp.jsp . Sorry I dont’ know how to link, as I said I am kindof a technosaur.

Naryat, I assume you are Jordanian and went to public schools here. My kids go to Jordanian schools too. The school curriculum here is heavy on presenting history and all subjects in such a way as to ‘create a strong attachment between kids and their religious beliefs and most definately uses them to achieve certain political and religious goals”. For goodness sake, my kids have to memorize the Koran as part of their Arabic lesson! After my kid’s homework is done, we talk about what we have in common with that particular Islamic teaching and what we don’t. We get out the encyclopedia and look at other civilizations viewpoint of history. Mixing religion and politics is a way of life.

In American schools, our faith is ridiculed, much less taught, even further less taught as ‘truth’ as Islam is in your schools. Our kids aren’t allowed to bring a Bible to class. Their libraries have books in them called “Heather Has Two Mommies”, and books for teens that glorify oral sex parties. They have to watch their health class teachers put condoms on bananas. Our daughters can’t be given an aspirin without parental permission, but can be checked out of school for an abortion without parental knowledge! No small wonder that many Christians put their kids in private Christian schools or home-school.

America is NOT a “Christian Nation”. Maybe only 10-15% of the population do what ‘Christian’ means: follow Christ’s teaching, pray, go to church. You aren’t born into being a Christian, it is a choice you have to make. Maybe a larger percentage say they are Christians, but the rubber meets the road in two places: how much money you give to help the poor and no sex with anyone but your marital spouse. Period.

The point of this video was to scare people like you (and the American public) into thinking that we are a Christian Al Qaeda. When was the last time you saw a group of armed Baptist seiging Bethlehem? Anglicans attacking Afghanistan? Pentecostals bombing Pakistan? It’s not happening, folks.

I suppose the thing that bugs me most is that what we evangelicals are fighting against are things that Muslims care about too: abortion, homosexual marriage, prayer in school. Are we killing people over it? No! but secular folk want their rights to sin protected, and we stand in their way, so they start the conspiracy theory ball rolling. And people like you, who are actually ideological allies, believe it!

Remember who runs American secular media, people of which faith? it’s not Christians. What you need to fear is secular american pop culture and media, the very same people who quote Muslims out of context and paint you all out to be terrorists.

Thanks for listening

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